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PostPost subject: Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra    Posted: 18.08.2013 00:30

Of course the hyperloop principal would also work in standard atmosphere. This is basically the principal of the french aero train. A development from the 70ies.

An air bearing could be slightly cheaper than a maglev bearing but as soon as you need a linear motor for propulsion you anyway have to build an iron core in the guideway. So if it is there anyway you can use it for levitation like in case of transrapid.

If you don´t use linear motors and instead use a Turbo fan for propulsion then the air bearing definitely would be cheaper. In this case you only need a well aligned concrete surface as guideway. If the fan is powered electrically - why not?
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Musk Hyperloop Carl-Ake Utterstrom 17.07.2013 11:23
      Re: Musk Hyperloop lblow 18.07.2013 13:50
      Hyperloop or Hype: Can Elon Musk's Wild Transport Idea Work? lblow 25.07.2013 13:59
            Re: Hyperloop or Hype: Can Elon Musk's Wild Transport Idea W lblow 10.08.2013 06:53
                  Elon Musk to detail Hyperloop info at 1:30 PDT lblow 12.08.2013 20:24
      Musk Hyperloop lblow 13.08.2013 00:24
            Re: Musk Hyperloop techniker 13.08.2013 10:07
            Re: Musk Hyperloop Magnetic levitation jok 13.08.2013 13:00
                  Re: Musk Hyperloop Magnetic levitation techniker 13.08.2013 19:13
            Hyperloop Update: Elon Musk Will Start Developing It Himself lblow 13.08.2013 19:24
            Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Trains lblow 14.08.2013 15:41
                  Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra john.harding 17.08.2013 01:54
                        Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra youngstranger 17.08.2013 21:28
                              Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra john.harding 18.08.2013 00:27
                                    Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra BlackShark 03.09.2013 19:10
                              Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra techniker 18.08.2013 00:30
                                    Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra john.harding 18.08.2013 02:29
                                          Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra techniker 21.08.2013 00:46
                                                Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra Samurai Blue 21.08.2013 07:19
                                                      Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra Moss 22.08.2013 01:43
                                                            Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra lblow 22.08.2013 02:46
                                                                  Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra youngstranger 22.08.2013 23:44
                                                                        The Economist explains Hyperloop lblow 23.08.2013 17:03
                                                      Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra techniker 24.08.2013 00:22
                                                            Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra Samurai Blue 24.08.2013 06:39
                                                                  Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra techniker 25.08.2013 14:52
                                                                  Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra john.harding 28.08.2013 20:47
                                                                  Air Viscosity skarsten 20.01.2014 22:34
                                                            Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra john.harding 27.08.2013 16:23
                                                                  Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra techniker 06.09.2013 12:43
                                    Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra youngstranger 03.10.2013 22:22
                        Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra BlackShark 03.09.2013 19:53
                              Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra john.harding 03.09.2013 22:11
                                    Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra BlackShark 04.09.2013 01:36
                                          Re: Promise and Perils of Hyperloop and Other High-Speed Tra lblow 04.09.2013 13:44
                  Another Reason Not to Build the Hyperloop lblow 08.10.2013 18:54
                        Re: Another Reason Not to Build the Hyperloop john.harding 09.10.2013 06:15
                              Re: Another Reason Not to Build the Hyperloop lblow 09.10.2013 21:41
            A terminal fit for a Hyperloop? lblow 12.09.2013 20:18
      Re: Musk Hyperloop cyth 16.09.2013 13:40
            Re: Musk Hyperloop john.harding 17.09.2013 17:42
                  Re: Musk Hyperloop MagXpress 17.09.2013 20:05
                        Re: Musk Hyperloop john.harding 18.09.2013 00:02
                        Re: Musk Hyperloop lblow 18.09.2013 06:07
                              Hyperloop Development -- Two Top Engineers at the Helm lblow 27.09.2013 23:23
                                    Re: Hyperloop Development -- Two Top Engineers at the Helm john.harding 28.09.2013 04:46
                                          The start-up building Elon Musk’s Hyperloop lblow 30.09.2013 22:55
      Why things change…..Hyperloop (blog post) lblow 28.09.2013 18:47
      Maglev vs. Hyperloop: EV World lblow 03.10.2013 17:14
            Re: Maglev vs. Hyperloop: EV World john.harding 03.10.2013 18:04
                  Re: Maglev vs. Hyperloop: EV World lblow 04.10.2013 15:08
                        Re: Maglev vs. Hyperloop: EV World john.harding 04.10.2013 19:09
                              Re: Maglev vs. Hyperloop: EV World lblow 04.10.2013 19:48
                                    Re: Maglev vs. Hyperloop: EV World john.harding 04.10.2013 23:45
                                          Re: Maglev vs. Hyperloop: EV World lblow 05.10.2013 05:53
                                          Re: Maglev vs. Hyperloop: EV World DestroyerWF 28.05.2014 17:47
                                                Re: Maglev vs. Hyperloop: EV World Dr. Zev 28.05.2014 20:04
                                                      Re: Maglev vs. Hyperloop: EV World Dr. Zev 28.05.2014 20:14
                                                            Re: Maglev vs. Hyperloop: EV World DestroyerWF 28.05.2014 21:04
                  Re: Maglev vs. Hyperloop: EV World Dr. Zev 29.01.2014 07:18
            Maglev vs. Hyperloop: EV World -- Part Deux lblow 10.10.2013 15:35
            Re: Maglev vs. Hyperloop: EV World Dr. Zev 14.04.2014 15:42
      Hyperloop Startup Begun -- Prototype by Next June lblow 31.10.2013 22:28
            Funding Support via Indiegogo for ET3 & Hyperloop lblow 07.12.2013 17:53
                  Re: Funding Support via Indiegogo for ET3 & Hyperloop john.harding 08.12.2013 22:04
                        Re: Funding Support via Indiegogo for ET3 & Hyperloop Daryl Oster 07.08.2014 11:42
                              Re: Funding Support via Indiegogo for ET3 & Hyperloop john.harding 07.08.2014 15:57
                                    Re: Funding Support via Indiegogo for ET3 & Hyperloop Daryl Oster 08.08.2014 20:55
                                          Re: Funding Support via Indiegogo for ET3 & Hyperloop Daryl Oster 08.08.2014 21:13
                                    Re: Funding Support via Indiegogo for ET3 & Hyperloop Daryl Oster 08.08.2014 21:03
                                          Re: Funding Support via Indiegogo for ET3 & Hyperloop Daryl Oster 08.08.2014 21:17
      No Need for Government Choo Choo—HyperLoop Can Do it lblow 06.11.2013 14:12
            Re: No Need for Government Choo Choo—HyperLoop Can Do it Samurai Blue 06.11.2013 14:22
                  Re: No Need for Government Choo Choo—HyperLoop Can Do it lblow 06.11.2013 15:49
      Fancy a commute at 1,200kph? – Hop on board the Hyperloop lblow 11.11.2013 19:15
      Interactive graphic:What Would A Hyperloop Nation Look Like? lblow 20.11.2013 14:23
      700-mph hyperloop transportation plan unveiled (CNN video) lblow 15.12.2013 19:43
      Crowdsourcing and the Hyperloop lblow 02.01.2014 16:23
            Re: Crowdsourcing and the Hyperloop Pierre Terrail 03.01.2014 16:54
                  Re: Crowdsourcing and the Hyperloop lblow 03.01.2014 17:42
                        Re: Crowdsourcing and the Hyperloop Pierre Terrail 04.01.2014 15:46
                              Re: Crowdsourcing and the Hyperloop Daryl Oster 15.08.2014 01:05
                                    Re: Crowdsourcing and the Hyperloop john.harding 17.06.2015 02:05
                                          Re: Crowdsourcing and the Hyperloop BlackShark 17.06.2015 14:33
                                                Re: Crowdsourcing and the Hyperloop john.harding 17.06.2015 15:29
                                                      Re: Crowdsourcing and the Hyperloop BlackShark 17.06.2015 17:22
                                                            Re: Crowdsourcing and the Hyperloop john.harding 17.06.2015 19:11
                                                                  Re: Crowdsourcing and the Hyperloop BlackShark 17.06.2015 20:18
                                                      Re: Crowdsourcing and the Hyperloop lblow 17.06.2015 17:49
                                                            Re: Crowdsourcing and the Hyperloop BlackShark 17.06.2015 19:38
                        Re: Crowdsourcing and the Hyperloop Daryl Oster 07.08.2014 06:43
      Musk to build Hyperloop track, likely in Texas lblow 15.01.2015 23:13
            Musk’s 800mph Hyperloop? The maglev vacuum train explained lblow 16.01.2015 19:31
            Hyperloops lblow 20.01.2015 21:20
      Hyperloop Is Real: Meet The Startups Selling It lblow 11.02.2015 15:08
            A maker of actual hoverboards now selling Hyperloop engines lblow 22.01.2016 20:27
                  Arx Pax Hover Engines Rev up Transportation Market lblow 22.01.2016 20:30
      Futuristic city with “Hyperloop” proposed in California lblow 01.03.2015 21:19
            Quay Valley Lands a Hyperloop. Huh? What? Where? lblow 06.03.2015 20:50
      Hyperloop alternative: Honda's clean 300-km/h cars lblow 24.04.2015 15:23
      Why The Hyperloop Is A Catastrophe-Waiting-To-Happen lblow 03.06.2015 20:30
      A Glimpse at What the Hyperloop Might Actually Be Like lblow 11.06.2015 14:11
      Hyperloop Book built with SketchUp lblow 16.06.2015 16:27
            Re: Hyperloop Book built with SketchUp john.harding 16.06.2015 18:30
      CEO says Hyperloop vision is faster, safer, cheaper than HS2 lblow 29.06.2015 21:16
      The science behind the Hyperloop is ‘done the wrong way’ lblow 01.07.2015 02:18
      The future of travel? A glass tube called Hyperloop lblow 07.07.2015 14:38
            Re: The future of travel? A glass tube called Hyperloop john.harding 07.07.2015 15:25
                  Re: The future of travel? A glass tube called Hyperloop lblow 08.07.2015 13:21
                        Re: The future of travel? A glass tube called Hyperloop john.harding 08.07.2015 16:42
                              Re: The future of travel? A glass tube called Hyperloop BlackShark 18.07.2015 23:55
                                    Re: The future of travel? A glass tube called Hyperloop lblow 20.07.2015 20:29
            The future of rail travel doesn’t look like Hyperloop lblow 04.08.2015 19:21
                  Re: The future of rail travel doesn’t look like Hyperloop john.harding 27.09.2015 16:09
            Competing for the World’s Largest Infrastructure Project lblow 19.10.2015 23:35
            Is Hyperloop the future of travel? lblow 18.05.2016 18:41
                  Re: Is Hyperloop the future of travel? GregA 12.06.2016 00:58
      Hyperloop Tech hires the man behind ‘UK Ultraspeed’ project lblow 05.02.2016 21:55
            Re: Hyperloop Tech hires the man behind ‘UK Ultraspeed’ proj neilisgreat 09.02.2016 16:09
                  Re: Hyperloop Tech hires the man behind ‘UK Ultraspeed’ proj cyth 27.02.2016 02:45
                        Re: Hyperloop Tech hires the man behind ‘UK Ultraspeed’ proj neilisgreat 29.02.2016 12:19
                        Re: Hyperloop Tech hires the man behind ‘UK Ultraspeed’ proj john.harding 20.04.2016 23:28
                              Re: Hyperloop Tech hires the man behind ‘UK Ultraspeed’ proj BlackShark 21.04.2016 00:23
                                    Re: Hyperloop Tech hires the man behind ‘UK Ultraspeed’ proj john.harding 21.04.2016 00:35
                                          Re: Hyperloop Tech hires the man behind ‘UK Ultraspeed’ proj BlackShark 21.04.2016 18:01
                                                Re: Hyperloop Tech hires the man behind ‘UK Ultraspeed’ proj john.harding 21.04.2016 22:11
                                                      Re: US Air Force just broke the speed record for maglev john.harding 21.04.2016 23:40
                                                            Re: US Air Force just broke the speed record for maglev lblow 24.04.2016 21:59
                                                                  Re: US Air Force just broke the speed record for maglev BlackShark 05.05.2016 16:44
      Elon Musk's Hyperloop could head to Europe before California Sommelier 21.03.2016 21:11
            Re: Elon Musk's Hyperloop could head to Europe before Califo john.harding 22.03.2016 21:07
                  Re: Elon Musk's Hyperloop could head to Europe before Califo lblow 25.03.2016 15:08
            Next-Gen European Trains Could Get Hyperloop Technology lblow 31.07.2016 20:31
      Beyond Hyperloop: ‘vacuum train’ for military projects lblow 18.05.2016 18:36
            Bullet Train: Russia Working on Projects Like Hyperloop lblow 22.05.2016 22:46
                  Moscow to explore Hyperloop for commuter transport lblow 22.06.2016 16:36
                        Hyperloop considered by Moscow to solve traffic jams lblow 22.06.2016 16:39
                              Re: Hyperloop considered by Moscow to solve traffic jams GregA 23.06.2016 04:14
                                    Re: Hyperloop considered by Moscow to solve traffic jams lblow 23.06.2016 15:32
                                          Re: Hyperloop considered by Moscow to solve traffic jams jok 25.06.2016 10:50
                                                Re: Hyperloop considered by Moscow to solve traffic jams lblow 25.06.2016 16:10
                                                      Re: Hyperloop considered by Moscow to solve traffic jams MagXpress 26.06.2016 10:42
                                                            Re: Hyperloop considered by Moscow to solve traffic jams lblow 26.06.2016 15:11
      Can a 700 M.P.H. Train in a Tube Be for Real? lblow 19.05.2016 13:46
            700mph train uses Captain America's Vibranium to be 10x safe lblow 29.05.2016 22:23
                  Re: 700mph train uses Captain America's Vibranium to be 10x john.harding 30.05.2016 05:47
            Hyperloop may be a transportation leap too far lblow 26.06.2016 22:27
                  Re: Hyperloop may be a transportation leap too far GregA 27.06.2016 04:29
                        Re: Hyperloop may be a transportation leap too far BlackShark 27.06.2016 12:35
                              Re: Hyperloop may be a transportation leap too far lblow 27.06.2016 18:57
                                    Re: Hyperloop may be a transportation leap too far john.harding 27.06.2016 22:26
                                    Re: Hyperloop may be a transportation leap too far GregA 28.06.2016 05:16
                                          Re: Hyperloop may be a transportation leap too far lblow 28.06.2016 13:05
                                                Re: Hyperloop may be a transportation leap too far GregA 29.06.2016 01:19
                                          Re: Hyperloop may be a transportation leap too far john.harding 28.06.2016 15:53
                  Hyperloop and our misplaced love of futuristic technology lblow 14.08.2016 23:32
                  How Hyperloop One Went Off the Rails lblow 20.08.2016 23:25
            Dubai takes first step towards super-fast Hyperloop system lblow 20.08.2016 22:08
            HTT: Building Hyperloop with vibranium…but no funding, wages lblow 24.08.2016 19:37
            A look inside Hyperloop One’s wildly fast future lblow 24.08.2016 19:50
            “It's not a transport mode – or even a technology" lblow 31.08.2016 16:00
            London to Manchester in 18 minutes? Hyperloop coming to UK? lblow 06.09.2016 00:10
            From Beach to Musk - A lot of hype over Hyperloop lblow 29.09.2016 19:35
            Here's how Hyperloop One's transport system will work lblow 18.11.2016 15:38
      The Future of High-Speed Transport lblow 08.07.2016 13:42
            Research Underway for San Antonio to Austin 'bullet train' lblow 27.07.2016 13:30
      Hyperloop One gains $50 million in funding PiT 31.10.2016 00:39
            Dubai to Abu Dhabi.... PiT 06.11.2016 15:13
                  Moscow to explore high-speed Hyperloop commuter transport PiT 11.11.2016 00:06
            Hyperloop One new funding announcement PiT 22.09.2017 09:57
                  What Has No Revenue, But a $700 Million Valuation? PiT 23.09.2017 20:14
                        Hyperloop One raises another $50 million PiT 20.12.2017 14:06
      Hyperloop One finally settles lawsuit with former employees PiT 27.11.2016 22:24
      Hyperloop = $40 Million Per Kilometer PiT 18.12.2016 00:09
            Re: Hyperloop = $40 Million Per Kilometer PiT 18.12.2016 00:12
      America’s First Full-Scale Hyperloop Test in Las Vegas PiT 08.01.2017 20:19
      Dutch team wins Elon Musk's Hyperloop competition PiT 31.01.2017 19:14
            "First ever vacuum tube Hyperloop run" PiT 04.02.2017 14:36
      Hyperloop One plans to project Russians across Moscow PiT 28.05.2017 14:38
            Re: Hyperloop One plans to project Russians across Moscow Bear 30.05.2017 19:03
            Re: Hyperloop One plans to project Russians across Moscow Bear 30.05.2017 19:38
      Just Another Tech Swindle ? PiT 28.06.2017 23:53
            The Biggest Challenges That Stand in the Way of Hyperloop PiT 01.07.2017 14:42
                  Experts disagree about Elon Musk's Hyperloop claims PiT 07.08.2017 13:46
      Hyperloop race gets crowded with new entrant PiT 21.07.2017 23:07
      Elon Musk May Want To Get Back In The Hyperloop Fun PiT 06.08.2017 15:49
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